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Looking for an insert
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KBC - USA,TPGB-21-51-EN-DC656 COATED INSERT,1-512C-003,KBC Tools & Machinery
KBC - USA,TPGB-21-51-EN-DC656 COATED INSERT,1-512C-003,KBC Tools & Machinery
KBC - USA,TPGB-21-51-EN-DC656 COATED INSERT,1-512C-003,KBC Tools & Machinery
KBC - USA,TPGB-21-51-EN-DC656 COATED INSERT,1-512C-003,KBC Tools & Machinerywww.kbctools.ca
$21.92 for a single insert <$$ gasp $$>
I was going to guess Sandvik or Valenite or similar? I'm not sure if there is an exact cross reference where you can find something cheaper/equivalent. That's kind of their game, good quality but unique sizes.
At minimum I would check Ebay for exact size matches. Guessing you can get a surplus pack of 10 for similar $. These may not be exact matches but just as example.
Valenite TPG 2.521 VC2 TPGN 130304 Carbide Turning Inserts (Box of 9) | eBay
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Sandvik TCMT 3(2.5)0-UF 525 Carbide Insert 16 T3 02-UF (Pack of 10) | eBay
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Doggggboy
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It says there are ten in the package$21.92 for a single insert <$$ gasp $$>
I was going to guess Sandvik or Valenite or similar? I'm not sure if there is an exact cross reference where you can find something cheaper/equivalent. That's kind of their game, good quality but unique sizes.
At minimum I would check Ebay for exact size matches. Guessing you can get a surplus pack of 10 for similar $. These may not be exact matches but just as example.
Valenite TPG 2.521 VC2 TPGN 130304 Carbide Turning Inserts (Box of 9) | eBay
Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Valenite TPG 2.521 VC2 TPGN 130304 Carbide Turning Inserts (Box of 9) at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!www.ebay.com
Sandvik TCMT 3(2.5)0-UF 525 Carbide Insert 16 T3 02-UF (Pack of 10) | eBay
Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Sandvik TCMT 3(2.5)0-UF 525 Carbide Insert 16 T3 02-UF (Pack of 10) at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!www.ebay.com
I might be wrong , but none of those, are close enough. First has no mounting hole in the centre, second is two sides insert... not sure. not an expert here$21.92 for a single insert <$$ gasp $$>
I was going to guess Sandvik or Valenite or similar? I'm not sure if there is an exact cross reference where you can find something cheaper/equivalent. That's kind of their game, good quality but unique sizes.
At minimum I would check Ebay for exact size matches. Guessing you can get a surplus pack of 10 for similar $. These may not be exact matches but just as example.
Valenite TPG 2.521 VC2 TPGN 130304 Carbide Turning Inserts (Box of 9) | eBay
Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Valenite TPG 2.521 VC2 TPGN 130304 Carbide Turning Inserts (Box of 9) at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!www.ebay.com
Sandvik TCMT 3(2.5)0-UF 525 Carbide Insert 16 T3 02-UF (Pack of 10) | eBay
Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Sandvik TCMT 3(2.5)0-UF 525 Carbide Insert 16 T3 02-UF (Pack of 10) at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!www.ebay.com
If I had your problem, I would go a different way entirely.
I would get a new tool and new inserts on Amazon for less than the cost of inserts at KBC.
I'm gunna catch Royal Blue Hell from a thousand members for this, but I recommend trigon inserts, not triangle. The inserts cost the same, but last longer, and are significantly stronger. I think they can leave a better finish too, but that is easily debated.
These are 5/8 cuz that's what I have, but 3/4, 1/2, and 3/8 are available too. I think you lose the anvil when you go 1/2 or smaller.
LH tool uses same inserts
I think you can get a RH / LH pair. Not sure if it will include 10 inserts.
10 Inserts for Aluminium
The point is that it's cheaper (and better) to dump the tool holder than try to find inserts for it.
I'm with @Susquatch, grab a new holder and inserts
I also run the triagon inserts in a 5/8 holder, very tough insert, I have lh, rh turning as well as lh and rh boring bars for the same insert, so it is cost effective in the long run
I also run the triagon inserts in a 5/8 holder, very tough insert, I have lh, rh turning as well as lh and rh boring bars for the same insert, so it is cost effective in the long run
Good catch, I should have scrolled down & read completely before jumping to conclusions.
Like I mentioned these were not exact matches, just intended examples. I had 'big name' (example Sandvik) on the brain. Some of their sizes are unique to their toolholders. But if the subject toolholder/insert size is a more generic tool, finding good quality inserts is considerably easier. And cheaper.
My point is that N-Am nomenclature typically has an equivalent in Asia/Europe once you know the lingo. For example my CCMT 21.51 might be known as series 0602 series
Agreed. I did the same.
Not only that, but running with anvils gives you 6 cutting points per insert. I never found boring bars with anvils but the insert angle on a boring bar looks after it to serve the same purpose.
When all your tools use the WNMG inserts, you can also afford to get different inserts with a bigger nose radius to improve finish. I only did that for aluminium inserts, but I'll prolly get a set of 10 with a large radius for steel at some point too.
Thanks Susquatch, folks. That was impulse buying. I can, probably return it, did not used it at all.
If we are on inserts subject - wondering if there such thing: carbide insert that is sharp (not requiring too much force to cut) and tough at the same 
. Something like a cross between regular insert and sharp aluminum? I am watching lots of youtube on this and see that people are often using aluminum inserts for steel - i tried myself it is not holding up very well.
Also - Susquatch - why trigon is bad ?
. Something like a cross between regular insert and sharp aluminum? I am watching lots of youtube on this and see that people are often using aluminum inserts for steel - i tried myself it is not holding up very well. Also - Susquatch - why trigon is bad ?
If we are on inserts subject - wondering if there such thing: carbide insert that is sharp (not requiring too much force to cut) and tough at the same
I think this is about managing expectations. Inserts for aluminium are sharp. Therefore they wear fast in steel. Just the way it is and to be expected. For most steel work, I use inserts for steel. But I do use inserts for aluminium on steel when I want to take finer cuts. The inserts for steel like bigger cuts.
If I gave the impression that trigon are bad, I am sorry. It was not my intent. It's either that or it was a typo. Trigon inserts are my favorite.
I have 12" Hendey and 10" South Bend . I know that it has to be different sizes of the toolholders, but I hoped I can get away with same insert sizes. I am pure hobbyist - no production, no rush so smaller insert for bigger toolholder is very viable option.
wnmg would work fine on the 12" i would suspect the 10" southbend to do ok with it as well
the 10" i would think should be ok with negative rake inserts of any kind, they are more popular and more economical, a wnmg has 6 cutting sides, compared to 3 on a positive rake insert for the style of tool holder you have, there are also more options for negative rake inserts as they are more popular
as for the tool pressure. it is what it is, unless you want to play with hss....hss in steel is no fun
the 10" i would think should be ok with negative rake inserts of any kind, they are more popular and more economical, a wnmg has 6 cutting sides, compared to 3 on a positive rake insert for the style of tool holder you have, there are also more options for negative rake inserts as they are more popular
as for the tool pressure. it is what it is, unless you want to play with hss....hss in steel is no fun
I agree that single size inserts for both is a VERY worthy goal. Betting they will both take 1/2" tools. If not, then next size down will fit for sure. I wouldn't hesitate to use 1/4 inserts for both if I couldn't make 3/8 inserts fit both. In fact, I'd prolly buy 1/2" tools and mill them down to fit both. Somebody would have to show me a shit ton of research before I would accept a compromise like that for hobby usage.
If you want a sharp insert that lasts in mild steel and has good performance in tool steels as well, get a quality one specifically made for stainless steel. They are both sharp and tough. (They also work well in aluminum).
I have mentioned this elsewhere, @Dabbler, @johnnielsen & I did a compassion some time ago in some mystery mild (?) steel, the TNMG for SS (ISCAR brand) I use was able to take DoC in the tenths range without problems (ie it is sharp) and left a beautiful surface finish at the same time. It can also hog tool steel no problems. I am sure if it was in a production environment, one would use it exclusively for SS. One would use another type for mild & other steels to maximize efficiency and tool life.
In a “ hobby” setting, it might be worth giving SS type inserts a try.
I have mentioned this elsewhere, @Dabbler, @johnnielsen & I did a compassion some time ago in some mystery mild (?) steel, the TNMG for SS (ISCAR brand) I use was able to take DoC in the tenths range without problems (ie it is sharp) and left a beautiful surface finish at the same time. It can also hog tool steel no problems. I am sure if it was in a production environment, one would use it exclusively for SS. One would use another type for mild & other steels to maximize efficiency and tool life.
In a “ hobby” setting, it might be worth giving SS type inserts a try.