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Best place for gas?
- Thread starter van123d
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Prolly don't like gas either.
Welding suppliers SUCK on both gas and consumables. Total BS & monopolistic behaviour. I've ranted about this before... KMS is the best option - they're not perfect as they usually can't give you a full fill. Another thing for the forum to do - start making and selling welding gases. CHMW Co-Op welding gas & consumables.
Yes "Return their tanks to KMS" and have them filled he means. and at half the price.
I think transporting acetylene tanks lying down is a real risk.If you transport them upright then people know what you're hauling
Mostly just oxygen here but I've driven many miles with the tanks banging around in the pickup box, laying down. Curious your reasoning, as I never once attempted to secure tanks, as long as the cap was on there
No - there is no reason. Just trying to bamboozle us into leasing BS and BS gas refill prices. If people tell you crap like that walk out - you don't want to deal with them.
Tom O
Ultra Member
This is how I transport mine for a refill it’s quite solid. If your transporting acetylene you have to let it stand for a good 1/2 hour before use.If you transport them upright then people know what you're hauling
Mostly just oxygen here but I've driven many miles with the tanks banging around in the pickup box, laying down. Curious your reasoning, as I never once attempted to secure tanks, as long as the cap was on there
Dan Dubeau
Ultra Member
I made a sled out of 2x4s with two cradles for bottles that slot into the bed liner, and I can strap down in the same position as you. It also acts as a stopper for my jerry cans, so they nest in there tight, same with the propane bbq tanks.
mickeyf
Super User
I was under the impression - quite possibly wrong - that any pressurized tank must be transported upright for safety reasons (and maybe legally), i.e. if "something goes wrong" you want it to blast off vertically where it's less likely to hit someone. I *think* I can squeeze my tank into the back seat area of my car and still keep it up right. I plan to confirm this today. If that works, then the truck can stay home.
Why not cut a few saddles out of wood and bolt them together so that you have a flat-frame that will sit in the bed of your pickup ?
That would ensure a secure place for the tanks during transport.
Doggggboy
Ultra Member
From the Govt of Alberta guidlines.
All compressed gas cylinders are considered dangerous because they contain gas under pressure. The cylinder’s valve can easily be damaged by falling or striking another object; this could create a rocket out of an ordinary cylinder. The TDG Regulations [Section 5.4] say that the cylinders/containers shall be loaded safely and securely stowed during transport. There is no direction as to how it should be secured. In addition, CSA Standard B340 [referred to in Section 5.10(1)(a)(i)] requires that any gas with a liquid phase (for example, propane which is liquefied, or acetylene, which is dissolved in acetone), must be transported upright so that the safety valves are in contact with the vapour space and not the liquid.
All compressed gas cylinders are considered dangerous because they contain gas under pressure. The cylinder’s valve can easily be damaged by falling or striking another object; this could create a rocket out of an ordinary cylinder. The TDG Regulations [Section 5.4] say that the cylinders/containers shall be loaded safely and securely stowed during transport. There is no direction as to how it should be secured. In addition, CSA Standard B340 [referred to in Section 5.10(1)(a)(i)] requires that any gas with a liquid phase (for example, propane which is liquefied, or acetylene, which is dissolved in acetone), must be transported upright so that the safety valves are in contact with the vapour space and not the liquid.
Doggggboy
Ultra Member
Welding - Storage and Handling of Compressed Gas Cylinders
When are cylinders considered to be in storage? Storage requirements must be followed when compressed gas cylinders are considered to be "in storage.
Other than propane and acetylene there are no concerns transporting a cylinder laying down so long as it's secured
That bottle upright is just as likely, if not more so to go flying and have the valve knocked off in an accident as a cylinder laying down
That bottle upright is just as likely, if not more so to go flying and have the valve knocked off in an accident as a cylinder laying down
Doggggboy
Ultra Member
I thought maybe there was difference in the valving for gas vs liquid.
There is, thats why i said other than propane and acetylene, those two should be transported upright
eightyfour
Brand New Member
I just bought a used oxy-acetylene setup/tanks off of marketplace. The tanks are still pretty full but in the future will I need to provide an ownership to the tanks to have them filled in Ontario? Should I ask the guy who sold them to me if he still has them. Seems like an estate situation so I think it's unlikely but I know the guy owned them. I heard in some places in the states they want paperwork wonder what the situation is here.
Martin w
Super User
What size are the tanks? If they are over 80 cu ft, they are rentals and probably no one will fill them. If you can find out where the rental was from, they may put you back on a rental contract if you explain the situation. Bought tanks are up to 80 cu ft I believe in Ontario
There is nothing saying a tank over 80 is a rental, that's some bs perpetuated by the uninformed sales clerks at the big gas suppliers, it is just a company policy and nothing more
However most of the big suppliers won't fill your owned bottle over 80, policy again
It can be tough to find a place to fill bottles because the big 3 all want you on a lease program so they can overcharge you for gas and the bottle every year, if you dog hard enough you may be able to find some where
However most of the big suppliers won't fill your owned bottle over 80, policy again
It can be tough to find a place to fill bottles because the big 3 all want you on a lease program so they can overcharge you for gas and the bottle every year, if you dog hard enough you may be able to find some where
That is simply a myth put out by the majors in the gas filling business. You can buy bigger tanks and get them refilled at some places. This end of Canada KMS tools has tanks and gas refills. This topic is a rant. Welding supplier companies generally suck.
they are informed not uninformed to lie about this. This behaviour has a name it’s called collusion and it’s illegal. Every time I hear about one us getting this run around it makes me so mad. They tell other lies too. My first Oxy acet welding class was taught by a an employee of one of these companies and he insisted you can’t weld with propane so we would come sign up for a contract of over priced acetylene.
Generally I think the majors charge about twice as much as they should in Canada for gas and it’s probably 4 times as much as Los Angeles.
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If the tank is a rental don’t ask that company about it. If the lease has been unpaid for years they will be super nice about setting you up on a rental - you sign the contract. And fine print says they will charge you for the missing payments. This is true behaviour so watch what you ask them these are predatory companies. One of the members saw this happen here in Calgary. That could be $1500 for 10 years of rental if they lost track of it. If the tank has expired that could be a red flag. There are articles on how to interpret the numbers on the tank to understand the certification date.