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Valenite tool holder

Martin w

Martin w

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I have a bunch of Valenite inserts, but no tool holder for them. Can someone point me in the right direction. Not sure why the box says TNGG Should be WNGG I believe they are Trigon shape diamond insert but I am not sure what to look for in a tool holder.
Thanks
Martin

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Ok so same holder as wnmg, the extra g wngg means ground tolerance. Good to know! They sound pricey, were they an auction score?
 
No I think hes saying the box doesnt necessarily indicate what they are, we were assuming wngg because the box was tngg but they could also be wnmg. The box is just a random box something else was put in.
 
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A few considerations to make before ordering a toolholder online ... first of all is the actual insert you have, if you don't have the correct identification it is possible that the hole in the insert or the insert size doesn't fit the holder geometry. If the insert is a WNMG-543 or something similar, the actual insert has an inscribed circle of 0.625", a thickness of 0.250" and a nose radius of 3/64". The holder that you have identified is a 1-1/4" x 1-1/4" square shank, you must have a pretty big lathe. Also, without knowing the grade of the insert, who knows if it's for non-ferrous metals, plain carbon steel, stainless, cast iron or something else ... My 2% is that if you don't have a lot of these on hand, better off getting a holder with matching inserts for the type of material you most often machine.
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lucsimoneau said:
better off getting a holder with matching inserts for the type of material you most often machine.
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Hey Luc, I don't believe the holder is affected by the material you plan to use. I believe that the holder is independent of that. I may be wrong for certain inserta, but I have never seen that for Trigon.
 
Thanks Luc.
All my holders are 1-1/4”. The lathe is 20”x 80”.I have around a hundred of these inserts.
I will measure the hole and thickness tomorrow and call the tool holder supplier.
 
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So just the thickness would identify it right? wnmg43 is 3/16 thick, a wnmg54 is 1/4
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I'm no expert on this subject cuz I used HSS till just a few years ago. But I've found that inscribed circle is a better unique qualifier for insert size than its thickness is. It's easy for me to imagine different thicknesses all fitting the same holder, but not so for inscribed circle. The difference between 1/4, 3/8, & 1/2 inch inscribed circle insert sizes is dramatic and obvious.

Also, for all you metric fans, it's quite literally obvious that imperial came before metric when it comes to inserts. I've never seen a true metric insert. They are all just imperfect conversions from perfect imperial to imperfect metric.

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@Susquatch you're right that the holder is not related to the material being machined, I was just pointing out that if starting fresh, get a holder/insert combo that you know works together. For insert dimensions, the imperial rule is: DNMG-432: 4=inscribed circle in 1/8", 3= thickness in 1/16", 2=corner radius in 1/64". Take note that the inscribed circle is NOT the diameter of the mounting hole. @Martin w yup, contact your tool supplier, they will know the holder part number (probably be something like MWLNR-204D like you had mentioned). @Susquatch tool supplier's (like Iscar, Kyocera, Sandvik) all have true metric versions of holders. Got caught in the past with a 25mm x 25mm tool holder for an imperial CNC machine that uses 1.0" x 1.0" tool shanks, not a happy camper!!!
 
lucsimoneau said:
@Susquatch tool supplier's (like Iscar, Kyocera, Sandvik) all have true metric versions of holders. Got caught in the past with a 25mm x 25mm tool holder for an imperial CNC machine that uses 1.0" x 1.0" tool shanks, not a happy camper!!!
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Yup, but that's tool holders. I was specifically referring to inserts.
 
I don't mean to hijack this thread, but rather build on the insert discussion in progress......

I have a question and maybe looking for confirmation please

I have this tool set https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B08RCRBZM3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1

It uses a CCMT09T304 insert that I have used for everything. Cause it is all I have. And my HSS skills/grinder set up need work too.....

But based on my reading previous comments above, I looked for aluminum specific inserts to fit my holder. Using the chart that @Darren posted, (and it comes up in all google searches), I convert my number to CCMT32.51. Is that correct? That is easier to find than the metric numbers. ie KBC does not know what to do with the "09T.. #"

To find an aluminum insert in that size and shape, I thought only the clearance angle would be different but it seems irrelevant. It seems the tolerance determines the material (I gotta be wrong but I am not getting it) The third character is the tolerance, according to the Carbide depot chart, but these inserts look correct (ie what I should order) sooooo I don't get it apparently

accusizetools.com

CCGT for Aluminum Carbide Inserts, 10ps/Set

When you choose CCGT Turning Insert, it works as the following tools (and solutions): CCGT Turning Insert, etc.
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What am I missing? Did I convert the metric number correctly?
 
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