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Anyone Heard of a "Wiggle" Vise?

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So I ran into a guy I know marginally at Princess Auto this AM. He's a British ex-pat and I've run in to him occasionally at toolstores and metal yards over the years. We chatted for a while, and the conversation ended up in the parking lot. He showed me a special drill press vice he just imported from England—and boy was it cool. It has a cam lever on it that, when released, allows about an 1/4" play in two planes. Once the cam is locked, it acts as a regular drill press vice.

The idea is the vice is clamped down, and assuming you have drilled a pilot hole, you release the cam so that when the larger bit is fed into the pilot hole, it self-centers in the hole because there is play in the vice. Once you are certain the bit is centered, you engage the cam and the bit follows that path precisely.

I was always taught this is the proper way to drill large holes on a drill press: punch or drill an appropriate sized pilot hole, don't clamp down the vice, let the bit "center" itself, turn off the drill press w/o releasing the down feed, and clamp the vice. Then finish your hole. This can be tricky as you only have one hand to work with, but works well if you prepare your clamps ahead of time. You certainly get more accurate holes this way.

The vise he showed me make it much easier, but darned if I can find anything online. He called it a "wiggle" vise, I guess kind of like a Wiggler you'd use on a mill. His looked pretty pricey and high end. I don't think I'd spring for one, but was interested in looking them up nonetheless. However, I can't find one anywhere online. I wish I'd taken a pic or asked for more details. Great idea.

Has anyone heard of these or know their real name/manufacturer?
 
Nope, but that is a nice vice. I'm familiar with cam lock vises and they are great for repeated use. I have one on my horizontal bandsaw.

But the one I am speaking of had a cam that purposely introduced about 1/4" slop in both X and Y. Once the drill was centered in the pilot hole you locked the cam. Technically you could achieve similar results with the Wilton above, but the stock wouldn't be clamped in the jaws; you would just close the jaws enough so that if the bit grabbed it wouldn't spin the stock wildly, then fully close the cam once into the pilot hole. From a safety perspective this isn't ideal as the stock could crawl up the bit past the jaws, then do the death spin on you. But the one I saw allowed you to fully close the jaws on the piece for safety, then open the cam to introduce the slop and align the bit. Then you close the cam once the bit has (self) centered and continue to drill.

I really regret not taking a pic. Sadly, I have no personal info to contact the man.

If I find it online I will post.

If anyone sees a white 1980s era Chevy Scotsdale 1/2 ton with a bumper sticker that says, "Me Schooled in England," pull it over and interrogate the driver.
 
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Does it look like this?
 

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The way I've always large drilled holes on a radial arm drill ( this would be a hydraulic locking drill with power feed and plenty of h.p.) is to drill a pilot hole the size of the chisel edge of the large drill. Usually around 1/4" diameter for up to a 2" diameter drill. The web can be narrowed as well. With the drill running, pick up the hole and turn on the power feed. As it starts drilling lock the drill. I've literally done hundreds of holes for nitrogen gas springs over the years when I worked.
 
Closer, but missing the cam lever that introduces the slop in the jaws.

She's a mystery for sure :)
 
I haven't seen a large vise like that but I do know I've used the loose vise method on my drill press to start holes.

As a side note, this method is also used on very small holes. On a Seitz jeweling tool (for watchmakers) there is a small vise (Face plate with clamps.). They make the vise super light so it floats on the work table to help align the holes when drilling or reaming.

Screenshot 2021-08-25 at 01-55-56 Replacing Top Balance Jewel.webp
 
Now that's an interesting cam lock vise. Not like the one I saw, but right up there on the "that's different" scale.
 
something about penmaking dudes (my internet rabbit hole as of late) that have these unique vises.

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I think penmaking is a great side gig. Lots of possibilities. I know it's kind of macabre, but I know there are places that will compress a love one's remains using a resin and a hydraulic press into stock for use in jewelry. I wonder if there is a business opportunity with pens? I knew a guy when I was working who made beautiful pens. People would buy them as Christmas gifts. Got to the point where he took off a extra week of holidays leading into Christmas just so he had time to make the orders. Really nice.
 
There are some people I'd like to compress into a small sized stick cylinder just for that effect alone LoL. On my other post, Darrin provided a good link if you are interested in this stuff. There is a whole sub-forum dedicated to blank making with lots of related resources https://www.penturners.org/forums/blank-making.178/
Sorry for cross posting & don't blame me if you get intrigued & your welding/fabrication productivity metrics take a hit HaHa.
 
OK, I'm going to stop this craziness now. Another one of those 'pen' guys. HaHa. This one from Dabblers link but he takes a side project making pen body from backyard stick.
I think they should rename their club to penmaking & self centering vises.
 

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Looks like there are many machining/more industrial orientated. Ali may not be the best place to hunt but just to give a flavor..
 

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